{"id":40419,"date":"2026-08-03T13:50:57","date_gmt":"2026-08-03T10:50:57","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/when.org.gr\/?p=40419"},"modified":"2026-08-03T13:58:37","modified_gmt":"2026-08-03T10:58:37","slug":"when-on-topic-the-politics-of-care","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/when.org.gr\/en\/when-on-topic-the-politics-of-care\/","title":{"rendered":"WHEN on Topic: The politics of care"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<div class=\"text\">\n    <h6 style=\"text-align: center;\">WHEN on Topic: The politics of care<\/h6>\n<p>How easy is it for a <strong>Municipal Councillor<\/strong> to continue to exercise her <strong>duties<\/strong> during her <strong>pregnancy<\/strong>? Are there any <strong>legislative provisions<\/strong> for local government and politics in general that relate to care responsibilities?<\/p>\n<p>In this episode of our podcast, <strong>Stella Kasdagli<\/strong> talks to <strong>Diana Voutirakou, a former Municipal Councillor in the Municipality of Athens and robotics scientist<\/strong>, who chose to <strong>resign<\/strong> from her position because the only <strong>provision<\/strong> for the period of childbirth and the postpartum period was to <strong>declare illness<\/strong> and <strong>renounce<\/strong> the right to vote during her absence.<\/p>\n<p>In parallel with this movement, she tried to highlight the <strong>legislative gap<\/strong> for new parents &#8211; and especially mothers &#8211; in local government and <strong>succeeded<\/strong> in passing the <strong>relevant amendment<\/strong> that makes the municipal council meeting via videoconference mandatory from <strong>four months before to nine months<\/strong> after childbirth, while giving her the opportunity to participate in secret ballots with authorization.<\/p>\n<p>In the 15th episode of WHEN on Topic, which is implemented within the framework of the <strong><a href=\"https:\/\/when.org.gr\/caredizo-i-frontida-einai-ypothesi-olon-mas\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">CAREdiZO<\/a><\/strong> project, we discuss many important questions with Diana:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>How much does the <strong>lack of care policies<\/strong> affect women&#8217;s participation in politics and in local government in particular?<\/li>\n<li>Do the existing provisions and the way municipal councils operate <strong>keep up<\/strong> with the needs of people with care responsibilities?<\/li>\n<li>How can the <strong>state support<\/strong> businesses and organizations so that parenthood policies are not treated as a financial burden?<\/li>\n<li>What <strong>public policies<\/strong> could make it easier for people with caring responsibilities, beyond parental leave?<\/li>\n<li>What can we learn from the <strong>practices of other European countries<\/strong> regarding parenthood and the participation, especially of women, in politics?<\/li>\n<li>How should we <strong>think<\/strong> and <strong>act<\/strong> to improve our society in general?<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>In this episode, the discussion focuses on the role of the <strong>State<\/strong> and <strong>Local Government<\/strong> as levers of <strong>change<\/strong> but also as a <strong>model<\/strong> for how care should be supported across the spectrum of work and public life.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed is-type-rich is-provider-spotify wp-block-embed-spotify wp-embed-aspect-21-9 wp-has-aspect-ratio\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<iframe title=\"Spotify Embed: WHEN on Topic: \u0393\u03b9\u03b1 \u03bc\u03b9\u03b1 \u03c0\u03bf\u03bb\u03b9\u03c4\u03b9\u03ba\u03ae \u03c4\u03b7\u03c2 \u03c6\u03c1\u03bf\u03bd\u03c4\u03af\u03b4\u03b1\u03c2\" style=\"border-radius: 12px\" width=\"100%\" height=\"152\" frameborder=\"0\" allowfullscreen allow=\"autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; fullscreen; picture-in-picture\" loading=\"lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/embed\/episode\/0YnBWyV0Ku5boSMoGGzu4h?utm_source=oembed\"><\/iframe>\n<\/div><\/figure>\n\n\n<section id=\"nvm-faq-block_3bd441e0b01abc6625f9f1c74e8c6f11\" class=\"nvm-faq alignfull\">\r\n    <div class=\"panel panel-width-normal\">\r\n        <div class=\"row small-align-self-center\">\r\n                                        <div class=\"small-column-100 laptop-margin-10 laptop-column-80 small-align-self-center\">\r\n                    <div class=\"faq-wrapper\">\r\n                        <h2 class=\"title color-onyx\">Read the podcast<\/h2>\r\n                                                    <div class=\"faq-container\">\r\n                                                                    <div class=\"responsiville-accordion\">\r\n                                        <div class=\"responsiville-accordion-panel\">\r\n                                            <div class=\"responsiville-accordion-header color-onyx\">\r\n                                                WHEN on Topic \u2013 Episode 15 | The politics of care                                            <\/div>\r\n                                            <div class=\"responsiville-accordion-content\">\r\n                                                <div class=\"text\">\r\n                                                    \n<div class=\"text\">\n    <p><b>Stella:<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> Welcome to another episode of WHEN on Topic. I\u2019m Stella Kasdagli, and this episode of our podcast is, as always, dedicated to care responsibilities and their equal sharing, and it comes to you thanks to CAREdiZO. What is CAREdiZO? It is a project in which we participate as WHEN, within the framework of the European Commission\u2019s CERV program, which aims to bridge the gender gap in care responsibilities by promoting equal practices, both at home and in micro-enterprises and small civil society organizations. The project supports family-friendly policies, encourages men to participate in care, and highlights the value of care in the wider society, which is what we have been advocating for for so long. Its actions include research, co-creation workshops, training programs, but also the development of digital tools, such as an educational game and the podcast you are listening to today, and the fight against stereotypes and the promotion of equality. Our partners come from Cyprus, Lithuania and Bulgaria, and at the moment we speak they are creating their own podcasts, which we hope you will have the opportunity to get to know in a short time.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">This episode of our podcast is dedicated to a sector that interacts with entrepreneurship and civil society, but is located a little outside and a little above it, and that is local government. We have with us Diana Voutyrakou, who is a former municipal councilor in the Municipality of Athens and a robotics scientist, with whom we will talk about a major gap in the legislation concerning local government and politics in Greece more broadly, and it has to do with care responsibilities.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Stella:<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> Diana, welcome.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Diana:<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> Welcome, and thank you very much for the invitation.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Stella:<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> It is our great pleasure. Entrepreneurship with politics, legislation, the institutional framework, constantly interact, and I think we cannot talk about policies and frameworks for care responsibilities in the workplace if we do not see the big picture, which also includes what is happening at the governance level. And I would like to start with your own story, to tell us what was the moment when you realized that there was no institutional provision for your pregnancy as a municipal councilor, and what happened after that.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Diana:<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> Yes, indeed. A few months ago, when I entered my 5th month of pregnancy, I started looking for what was provided for a municipal councilor, so that she could continue to represent the citizens during pregnancy. And I realized that I couldn&#8217;t find anything, that is, I read the entire law and there was not even once the word &#8220;pregnancy&#8221;, &#8220;parenthood&#8221;. I contacted the president of the municipal council, who contacted the legal services, and they confirmed to us that there was indeed nothing, no coverage. And what was suggested to me was to request permission for excused absences due to illness, due to health, that is, to provide a doctor&#8217;s note and say that for this reason I will not be able to be absent. Because there was not even the provision that because you are pregnant you have the possibility of justifiably missing some municipal councils. However, the problem for me wasn\u2019t that, it wasn\u2019t so much the absence, it was that I wanted my voice to be heard somehow, despite the fact that I am pregnant and as it progresses it will be more difficult for me to participate in person in the municipal councils.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Stella:<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> You said \u201cdespite\u201d, I will also say \u201cbecause\u201d of the fact, because if in the municipal councils and in every governing body we don\u2019t have this diversity of voices, which includes pregnant women and people with care responsibilities in general, then the decisions that are made and the data that comes to the table are definitely incomplete. How did the president of the council react when you asked this question? And I don&#8217;t mean how she reacted, you told me that she searched, but she expected it, she didn&#8217;t expect it, she felt surprised, did you feel some criticism, not from the specific person, but more generally in this whole process of investigation, that &#8220;where are you going and looking for these&#8221;, let&#8217;s say, or &#8220;oh, now we&#8217;re in trouble&#8221;?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Diana:<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> The president herself was very supportive, and she was even impressed that we couldn&#8217;t find anything relevant, and she herself recognized that it was a very big oversight. The next step was the deputy mayor for Equality, who I contacted, and she also treated it very warmly, that we need to change it, we need to see what we can do. But yes, unfortunately there were criticisms. Mainly the approach was that &#8220;since you can declare illness and be away for 7-8 months, go enjoy your child, watch him grow up, and then come back&#8221;, without understanding how important it was for me to be able to combine these two qualities and not have to choose one or the other.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Stella:<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> And beyond that, I think that the symbolism of treating pregnancy as an illness, as a defect, a weakness of women who become pregnant, I think that in itself is symbolically wrong.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Diana<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">: Yes, and it is also somewhat anachronistic. I think we have progressed a lot as a society, and I think it also creates an equality problem in terms of representation, gender representation, because when a citizen knows that a potential municipal councilor who may want to get pregnant means that she will have to distance herself from the municipal council for a long time, it is already a reason to prefer a candidate who will not have the corresponding issue, the corresponding situation. So I think it also creates a very big issue of gender representation, which already in local government we have a huge problem with gender representation.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Stella:<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> And of course, there is also the issue of the participation of men in local government, in relation to their own children, because the father will very rarely, and may not even have the basis to do so, to declare illness in order to be able to be with his child for a few months, as every working person in the public and private sectors has the right to do.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Diana:<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> And I think all non-biological parents also, that is, there are parents who choose other methods, there is the corresponding problem.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Stella:<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> Of course, of course. What did you decide to do after that?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Diana:<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> First of all, I made a decision that was quite difficult for me, to resign from the municipal council, for several reasons, mainly because I wanted to give visibility and weight to this whole event, because for me it was very important, without it seeming that I was asking for some favorable photographic arrangement for myself. For me, the important thing is that every woman has this opportunity. So the first step was to resign. The second step was to start communicating with MPs, with individuals, journalists and so on, so that I could give as much visibility as possible to the issue, and explain why we finally as a country need to move forward and change it. And the third step was to contact the European Parliament and start talking to elected young politicians all over Europe, to see what is happening in other countries, so that when I propose things I can say that \u201cgreat, in the Netherlands this is happening, in Sweden this is happening\u201d, so that there is no argument of \u201call countries are like this, all countries are behind\u201d, let\u2019s say. So that was the sequence of actions that I took.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Stella:<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> I really want to hear about the European part that you mentioned, but let&#8217;s take a step back, tell the people who are listening to us, who will listen to the podcast a few days later, that it is very moving that we are making this recording today, because we also had a very important development in this case, and I want you to say it, because you deserve this conquest 100%.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Diana:<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> Yes, it is really very pleasing that from the next elections, any woman who wants to deal with local government, whether at the municipal level or at the regional level, will be able to take leave due to pregnancy, but she will also be able to request an online council, so that she can participate remotely in all meetings, and if there is a secret ballot, she has the option of requesting to vote via proxy, so her vote will not be lost throughout the pregnancy and 9 months after giving birth.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Stella:<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> Amazing. You mentioned earlier the issue of choice on the part of the voter, who sees a new woman on the ballot, assumes that she might want to become a mother and that she will need to be absent, and you illuminated very nicely the issue of how that can affect the voting decision. So I had not realized how important this possibility of remote voting is for female municipal councilors. And I wanted to ask you, because we discuss the rights part, we discuss the equal treatment part, sometimes, and especially in the workplace where we are mainly active, there are also some objective obstacles that we need to take into account when we ask for reasonable adjustments, when we ask for new measures. Do you identify any such case in your own context, that is, that I know that I am asking for something that will create one, two, three, either issues or needs for other provisions, more things need to change, in other words?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Diana:<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> Definitely. First of all, I think it opens up the chapter on parenthood as a discussion as a whole. That is, the local government is currently set up to allow people who have to exercise care responsibilities to be able to do so. From what hours the municipal councils have, how long they last, what kind of planning is there, if there is care. For example, I was recently reading about a woman in Romania who brought her child to the municipal councils to watch, because she had nowhere to leave him. So I think it opens up, and maybe it is finally an opportunity to open up, a discussion about allowing these people to be able to exercise successfully, whether they are men or women, the care obligations they have, and at the same time be able to participate and prepare, because that is also important for local government. So I hope it will not be a discussion that will remain only on the issue of pregnancy, which is of course very important, but will be expanded to the issue of parenthood as a whole.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Stella:<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> Yes, and in terms of care responsibilities more broadly, I would say, because we live in an aging society. The fact that until now the municipal councilors may have been older does not mean that they did not have care responsibilities. They may have had elderly parents, sick people in the family that they had to support. And I wonder how many women have so far been left out of local government and out of politics in general, because they had care responsibilities that either they themselves considered or in practice could not be combined with this function.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Diana:<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> I think it is an inhibiting factor. We also see it from the small percentages of women, both those who participate in the ballots, and those who are ultimately elected. And I think the time has come, not only to say some wishful thinking that we want more women in politics, but to also see what actions we can take to make this possible.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Stella:<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> Yes. Tell us what you discovered about what is happening in the rest of Europe.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Diana:<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> First of all, let&#8217;s say that at the European Parliament level, it changed very recently and proxy voting was approved, meaning that if a woman gives birth, she can choose a colleague, an MEP, to vote for her.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Stella:<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> Does this only apply to women?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Diana: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">This applies to those women who have just given birth, yes. Which I hope will be expanded of course, but it is definitely a first step. And it was voted on this year, so this is also very new. In the Netherlands, for example, what is provided for is that a woman takes a few months, when her maternity leave officially starts, one to one and a half months before pregnancy and four months after.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Stella: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Before giving birth?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Diana:<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> Yes, before giving birth, sorry, yes. She has the option to ask to be replaced, and once the official maternity leave prescribed by Dutch law is over, she can return and resume her duties. As I said before, for example in Romania there is no provision, so there were women who took their children with them.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Stella:<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> Neighbors.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Diana:<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> Yes, so I think there is an imbalance in what we provide. But I want to believe that the fact that the European Parliament itself has moved forward and brought in quite important legislation in this area, that it may also open the discussion to start changing things. I remind you that in Greece, at the Parliament level, providing care for women who become pregnant and give birth was done about a decade ago, that is, it is quite recent at the Parliament level, and it took until 2026 for something to be done in local government as well.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Stella:<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> Which I think also suffers from a degree of invisibility in relation to the larger political scene. We don&#8217;t see these incidents easily.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Diana:<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> But I think overall that local government, while deciding on so many things that concern us, for schools, for our communities, the cleanliness around us, I think we haven&#8217;t realized how many decisions are actually made in local government, because perhaps if we had, it would seem that we would give more voice to local government.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Stella:<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> I agree very much. A parenthetical question: apart from the care issues we discussed, do you think there are other factors that discourage women from participating more actively in local government?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Diana:<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> I think that overall in the field of politics, or at least that&#8217;s what my experience tells me so far, there is sexism. That is, we see this from the panel where a female politician will participate and she will be interrupted constantly, they will talk over her constantly, how what she wore, how she behaved, and not what she said or what actions she did will be commented on. And I think all of this, and the body shaming and the victim blaming and all of this that exists so much on social media, and we see it mainly in female politicians, is a very inhibiting factor. And I don&#8217;t think there is a more comprehensive fight against the issue organized so that we can actually overcome it.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Stella:<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> That&#8217;s very true. We recently had a media literacy program in schools at WHEN about gender stereotypes, and one of the activities we did with the kids was we shared with them articles about female MPs from mainstream media, and we asked them to read them out loud, changing the gender of the person being described. And they found it so strange to read about a MP where they were commenting not only on what they were wearing, but on their body type, their legs, whether they were sexy or not. So it was, I think, revealing, but it&#8217;s happening on such a small scale, especially with the younger generation, that I think we still have, as you say, a long way to go. We&#8217;re talking about your own experience in politics, taking the conversation to work. Do you believe that the same institutional gap, not exactly in the same terms, because in businesses there are more provisions for the issues of pregnancy, parenthood, care responsibilities, but the broader treatment of parenthood as an exception, as an illness, rather than as a normal state of life, a right, is also reflected in the private sector, and especially in small businesses and organizations that do not always have the possibility or the obligation to have very thorough policies, to have the financial capacity to take measures to support care? Have you seen this around you and in your own experience?1<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Diana:<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> Yes, unfortunately it is a problem that exists, and it is somewhat contrary to the whole European thinking, which is that there should be a social responsibility and there should be a welfare state to support both care and parenthood. But I think there are basic obstacles that make it somewhat difficult. I want to say that what I see a lot is this insecurity that exists, that how will we implement flexible hours, flexible policies in the company, how will we cover the cost of training and replacing an employee who has care services, which are reasonable questions. But we should make sure that there is a welfare state that will answer these questions. Especially when we talk, for example, about demographics and we consider it such a big problem, it is not enough to simply highlight it. In order to solve it, you have to give people the space and time to choose to take this step in their lives, whether they are the employee or the employer.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Stella:<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> Many businesses, especially small, very small and small-medium businesses, bring to the table, for example, that the cost of parental leave is unbearable for them and that this would be a cost that the state should take on. Do you agree with that? Are there other measures that you think the state should take in this direction?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Diana:<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> There are several measures. Certainly the cost is something that the state should bear. Beyond that, I think that the cost of training and replacement is also very important, because the employee should, especially in small organizations, small and medium-sized businesses, be replaced. I think that things can be done fiscally, especially in what has to do with employer contributions, for example, to the new employee who will have to come. I think that we should also look beyond the work itself, what the state can do as a whole, for example with public care structures, public daycare centers, because it is not only the period in which, if we are talking about parenthood, the child will come, it is also that afterwards, in order for someone or someone to be able to return to his or her job, the child should be able to have somewhere and be able to be adequately cared for, or the person who will provide care should have a public structure to be adequately cared for, with extended hours that will then allow the person to be at work. So it is not only the financial aspect, it is also the aspect of what services we provide to make care and parenthood something feasible and easy for the people around us.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Stella:<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> Yes, my thought there, because we have heard over the years different ideas that come to the table in relation to how these public structures for care should be formed, and many times my feeling is that at this table that made this decision, that it is a good idea for a child to be in a structure or in a school from 7 in the morning to 6 in the afternoon, I feel that the voices of the parents are absent, the parents who know the real needs of a child of this age. And that is why I mentioned earlier that the absence of a pregnant woman, a mother, from the city council table is not only her loss, it is a loss for the city council and for the people that it supports. So I think that this diversity and care needs to be reflected in the decision-making bodies as well.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Diana:<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> Yes, and it is not only in the structures. I believe that in any policy that is designed, these voices should be included, whether it is economic or fiscal, or whether it is the creation of a structure as a whole.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Stella:<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> Of course. If you could choose one measure from these, that is, if you had the opportunity to be able to make a decision for a month that would bring one of these measures to the table, what would it be? The most urgent, let&#8217;s say.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Diana:<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> I think that the most urgent, because we would immediately see its positive effects, is the financial one, that is, to be able to cover costs for companies, mainly because I understand that there is a hesitation or a difficulty both in hiring and then in people who have care obligations. It is not necessarily the most important, but it is the one that we would see the results of most immediately.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Stella:<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> Yes. At a level, I will now put it a little descriptively, at the level of branding of a country, of a state, that wants to show and prove that it is interested in the reconciliation of professional and private life, in demographics, in gender equality, is the delay or the reluctance or the inability to sort out our own affairs, to sort out what is happening in Parliament, what is happening in municipal councils, consistent with this desire to support the policies that we want to apply in the private sector, for example, or in areas outside of politics? Doesn&#8217;t there need to be an issue of harmonization there?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Diana:<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> Maybe not even harmonization. Maybe the state should set the example so that they can follow. I think the state is also the mirror of our everyday life. If the state is unable to take care of and take measures regarding how it requires or asks an employer to do so accordingly. So I think that first of all the state should start taking measures. And I think that we as citizens have a big role to play in that. In other words, I think that citizens should demand more and more space in the public sphere for people who have parental and care obligations. So I think that it all has to start with the citizens who will start demanding more, the state that must start putting these issues higher and higher on the agenda, and then, from the moment the state can and sets the example, we can start asking employers to do the same. So I would put things in that order, without meaning that they cannot be done in parallel. Simply, the state should, from the moment it claims it and asks it of someone, also take care to provide it to the people who perform duties in the state itself.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Stella:<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> Since you also raised the issue of individual responsibility, I also have a personal question. Many times we find ourselves in the dilemma, I will say, either to claim something for ourselves, let&#8217;s say at work, claim an extra leave, claim flexible working, or to jeopardize or lose a privilege that we have won, but to claim something for a greater number of people. And I wanted to ask you what it was that, in your case, helped you, because I&#8217;m sure it wasn&#8217;t an easy decision, to choose the second instead of the first.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Diana:<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> I have a kind of belief that if we really want to improve our society, we should look collectively at how we can do it. I mean, if something is going to benefit me personally, but the next woman finds it in her path, at the end of the day we haven&#8217;t accomplished anything. So I think it&#8217;s that belief that I have as a person that made me do this. And it&#8217;s probably what gives you both emotionally and morally and practically the fact that you know that when you defend in every way that we need more young women in politics, because this is a very basic position of mine, you&#8217;ve put in even a very small stone that you can say that you tried to achieve it more. I think that if people try to see more of the collective and less of the individual, a lot of the problems that we have in our society will be solved, even if that temporarily means that for a while you lose something that you really liked, that you loved very much, which was the city council. But I think the big picture is much more important than my own individual picture and maybe what I gained from it.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Stella:<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> And if we didn&#8217;t have this positive development that we have now, this disappointment that you would justifiably feel, would make you rethink the decision you made? In other words, was it worth it for me to make this sacrifice and not see results?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Diana:<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> The sacrifice was definitely worth it regardless of the result. Because what happened with this sacrifice was that it became clear that the problem existed. Whether as a society we were ready to solve it, that&#8217;s another discussion. But no one could say after that that we didn&#8217;t know about it. Which I heard as an answer at the beginning. So I think that had not changed. I would like to know that I did everything I could to be highlighted. And from there on I trust that there are organizations, civil society groups, who would highlight and who would highlight this issue. 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