{"id":40195,"date":"2026-06-16T17:13:52","date_gmt":"2026-06-16T14:13:52","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/when.org.gr\/?p=40195"},"modified":"2026-06-17T12:55:33","modified_gmt":"2026-06-17T09:55:33","slug":"when-on-topic-care-as-infrastructure-not-as-privilege","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/when.org.gr\/en\/when-on-topic-care-as-infrastructure-not-as-privilege\/","title":{"rendered":"WHEN on Topic: Care as infrastructure - not as privilege"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<div class=\"text\">\n    <h6 style=\"text-align: center;\">WHEN on Topic: Care as infrastructure &#8211; not as privilege<\/h6>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">What does it mean to <strong>turn care into your profession<\/strong>? What is it like to be a working person whose role involves caregiving for children, parents, and an entire community <strong>every day<\/strong>?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">In this episode of our podcast, <strong>Pinelopi Theodorakakou<\/strong> speaks with <strong>Anna Konstantinou, Mini Hub Manager at the WHEN Hub<\/strong>, Greece\u2019s <strong>first coworking space<\/strong> with on-site <strong>creative activities<\/strong> for children. Their conversation explores the experiences of the mothers and fathers who use the space, the needs they often <strong>hesitate to express<\/strong>, and what it truly means when care becomes work.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">In the 13th episode of WHEN on Topic, produced as part of the <strong><a href=\"https:\/\/when.org.gr\/en\/caredizo-care-is-everyones-responsibility\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">CAREdiZO<\/a><\/strong> project, we explore a series of important questions:<\/span><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li style=\"font-weight: 400;\" aria-level=\"1\">How does a working person <strong>feel<\/strong> whose role includes caring for other people at critical moments in their lives? How can this <strong>condition<\/strong> affect their own life?<\/li>\n<li style=\"font-weight: 400;\" aria-level=\"1\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">What <strong>approach<\/strong> does a coworking space with on-site creative activities for children need to take in order to be accessible, welcoming, and functional for everyone? How should a child\u2019s <strong>transition<\/strong> into the space be supported, and what does this mean in practice for both the child and its parent?<\/span><\/li>\n<li style=\"font-weight: 400;\" aria-level=\"1\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">What kind of <strong>parents<\/strong> benefit most from a space like this, and what changes for them, both <strong>practically<\/strong> and <strong>emotionally<\/strong>, when they know their child is engaged in meaningful, creative activities while they work?<\/span><\/li>\n<li style=\"font-weight: 400;\" aria-level=\"1\">What needs to change in the <strong>culture<\/strong> around care so that more employers invest in solutions that effectively support <strong>employees<\/strong>, especially those with caregiving responsibilities?<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>An episode that serves as a reminder that in order to create a truly<strong> inclusive labor market<\/strong>, it is essential to recognize <strong>care<\/strong> not as an obstacle, but as an <strong>integral part<\/strong> of the daily lives of many working people.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed is-type-rich is-provider-spotify wp-block-embed-spotify wp-embed-aspect-21-9 wp-has-aspect-ratio\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<iframe title=\"Spotify Embed: WHEN on Topic: \u0397 \u03c6\u03c1\u03bf\u03bd\u03c4\u03af\u03b4\u03b1 \u03c9\u03c2 \u03c5\u03c0\u03bf\u03b4\u03bf\u03bc\u03ae - \u03cc\u03c7\u03b9 \u03c9\u03c2 \u03c0\u03c1\u03bf\u03bd\u03cc\u03bc\u03b9\u03bf\" style=\"border-radius: 12px\" width=\"100%\" height=\"152\" frameborder=\"0\" allowfullscreen allow=\"autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; fullscreen; picture-in-picture\" loading=\"lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/embed\/episode\/7wT2zu68O5XSb4odusX3hn?utm_source=oembed\"><\/iframe>\n<\/div><\/figure>\n\n\n<section id=\"nvm-faq-block_e370e58cc3b71501ffb5c6db8f9a9b49\" class=\"nvm-faq alignfull\">\r\n    <div class=\"panel panel-width-normal\">\r\n        <div class=\"row small-align-self-center\">\r\n                                        <div class=\"small-column-100 laptop-margin-10 laptop-column-80 small-align-self-center\">\r\n                    <div class=\"faq-wrapper\">\r\n                        <h2 class=\"title color-onyx\">Read the podcast<\/h2>\r\n                                                    <div class=\"faq-container\">\r\n                                                                    <div class=\"responsiville-accordion\">\r\n                                        <div class=\"responsiville-accordion-panel\">\r\n                                            <div class=\"responsiville-accordion-header color-onyx\">\r\n                                                WHEN on Topic | Episode 13: Care as infrastructure - not as privilege                                            <\/div>\r\n                                            <div class=\"responsiville-accordion-content\">\r\n                                                <div class=\"text\">\r\n                                                    \n<div class=\"text\">\n    <p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"><b>Pinelopi: <\/b>Welcome to the new season of WHEN On Topic. I\u2019m Pinelopi Theodorakakou, and I\u2019m back with you to discuss women\u2019s professional and economic empowerment and equality at work. Sometimes even outside of it. This season of our podcast is dedicated to caregiving responsibilities and their equal distribution, and it comes to you thanks to CAREdiZO. What is \u201cCAREdiZO?\u201d It\u2019s a new project we\u2019re involved in as part of the European Commission\u2019s \u201cCERV\u201d programme, which aims to bridge the gender gap in caring responsibilities by promoting equality practices at home, in micro businesses, and small civil society organizations with up to ten employees. This project promotes family-friendly policies, encourages men to participate in caregiving, and highlights the value of caregiving across society, which is what we have been aspiring to for so long. Its activities include research, co-creation workshops, training programmes, and the development of digital tools, such as an educational game, for example, but also podcasts to fight stereotypes and promote equality. Our partners are based in Cyprus, Lithuania, and Bulgaria and are currently creating their own podcasts, which you might have the chance to explore soon. What does it mean to take care of children, parents and an entire community every day? In this episode, we are talking with Anna Konstantinou, Mini Hub Manager at WHEN Hub. What is WHEN Hub? If you don\u2019t already know, let me tell you: the first coworking space in Greece with on-site creative activities for children. We\u2019re talking about the mothers and fathers who pass through its doors, about the needs they don\u2019t always express out loud but are clearly there, and about what it really means to turn care into your profession.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Pinelopi:<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> Anna, good evening. We are so happy to have you here with us today.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Anna: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Good evening. I\u2019m very happy to be here, too, and thank you for having me.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"><strong>Pinelopi:<\/strong> Tell us a bit about yourself, your background, where you come from, and how you actually turned care into your profession.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Anna: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">I like to introduce myself through this contrast, that I have studied Public Administration at Panteion University, but throughout these years I\u2019ve been working with children in different settings. Right now, you find me in the environment of the WHEN Hub, which is something quite new in general, especially for me. What makes it really special is that, in this space, adults and children coexist, and at the same time I feel very directly the need to care for both of these groups.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Pinelopi: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">How would you describe to someone who doesn\u2019t know what it is &#8211; I\u2019m going to make this hard for you now- what the Hub is, and also what the WHEN Mini Hub is?\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Anna: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">So, WHEN Hub is, first and foremost, a community. It\u2019s a space, a coworking space where people can come to work. It primarily supports women, but it\u2019s open to anyone who shares the same philosophy and concerns. And what sets it apart from other coworking spaces is that it also offers creative activities for children within the space. In other words, moms, dads, and caregivers can come to this space without leaving their child or children behind.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Pinelopi: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">So, I come here, I find the WHEN Hub and I have a child &#8211; let\u2019s take my own example- for instance- and it\u2019s not just that I don\u2019t want to be separated from them. I might actually want to be apart for a few hours precisely because I want to work, to grow, to develop and I want to do that with the peace of mind that a person, a team, is taking care of my child. And also, I don\u2019t have that stress of having to find someone to come to my home, which is becoming increasingly difficult. Grandmothers, grandfathers, &#8211; we\u2019ve discussed this, and for those of you listening, you\u2019ve heard many episodes of this series. We\u2019ve discussed several times how the care that used to come and still comes in many cases from grandparents has started to gradually decline, because people of that age are often, thankfully I would say, still working. So, I come there- well ,here, since we are at the WHEN Hub. The WHEN Hub also has a podcast studio, so let\u2019s mention that too. And I find you, but not just you. And what happens from that point on?\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Anna:<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> You\u2019ve touched on a topic that deserves a thorough discussion. I\u2019ll try to summarize it. What\u2019s the first thing? That we can support and help families where, even though there is someone caring for the child at home every day, something has happened to that person &#8211; they can\u2019t do it anymore- but the mom or dad has to work, so they come to us for help. What we call a \u201cshameful\u201d situation. In this case, subject to availability, we provide immediate assistance, and we\u2019re here &#8211; and it works well for the system. But I would like to mention the other, more difficult scenario- which usually involves children who are very young, just a few months old, and have never been separated from their parents except perhaps to be left with a very close relative at home. So we receive such requests, either by phone or email, asking for support and how we could make this work. That is, for us to come there &#8211; fine, you have the creative activities. How do we know we\u2019ll be able to part ways without tears or difficulties? And that\u2019s why we\u2019ve managed to create, design and it\u2019s evolving as new people and new experiences come in &#8211; a transition period. It\u2019s very well known in kindergartens, but..\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Pinelopi: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">I\u2019ve been through that with my daughter too.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Anna: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">That\u2019s how it is for most moms. Yes, it\u2019s a demanding time for both sides. I\u2019d say for all three, actually. I should mention the teachers too.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"><b>Pinelopi:<\/b> Please do.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Anna:<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> I should mention that too.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"><b>Pinelopi:<\/b> We need to take care of the people who take care. We\u2019ve also done an episode on that.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Anna: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">I\u2019m glad about that. We need it. So yes, this whole issue of the transition period. In these cases, what we say is: come here &#8211; if you haven\u2019t visited our space before- let us show you around together with your child, so you can also see the Mini Hub, which is the space where we do creative childcare. I\u2019m always there as the person in charge, and there is a second educator supporting, and if needed even a third, on a stable daily basis. We meet, you see the space and then we also have a conversation about your specific needs. That is, how many times you want to come, for how many hours, what timeframe we have, so we can plan the transition steps. We suggest that the transition period is one week- that&#8217;s what we usually recommend. After that, we can start the regular working routine of the adult caregiver in the space and the child with us. But this is very dynamic. The truth is that from the very first meeting we already understand a lot about the family system. So it\u2019s always with respect to their needs and their timing &#8211; and here there needs to be attention and balance between what the child needs, what we as educators recognize as a need, and what the mother &#8211; usually the mother at these ages- needs. What is challenging in every case and in every family is aligning those three. Because when one is well, the other is well too. They support each other. I believe &#8211; and I feel- that we already offer relief from the very first meeting.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"><b>Pinelopi:<\/b> And this is also how you, as an educational team, and you as the head of the team, have designed the program. I should also clarify for those listening and haven\u2019t been to the space that the working area for adults is on the first floor. That\u2019s important to know. And the second space, where the children are, is not just anywhere in the building &#8211; children are on the second floor. So there is also a physical distance, or rather a spatial separation, which is important. But there is also a provision for the parent who supports the transition process to stay close while the adaptation program is running. Those are two points I wanted to mention. And a third important point is that I cannot drop off my child and leave the WHEN Hub.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Anna:<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> Oh yes.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Pinelopi: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Right?\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Anna: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Oh yes.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Pinelopi: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">I mean, the way that we designed the service is that the adult who brings the child to the Mini Hub stays on the first floor and works calmly, knowing that her\/his child is on the second floor being creatively engaged by trained professionals. But I cannot drop my child and leave. Mini Hub is not childcare in that sense.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Anna: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Correct. We are together. We are there together.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Pinelopi: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">You mentioned earlier \u201cusually mothers\u201d. Who are the women or parents, I would say, who come? And I also want us to talk about fathers. What do you see they need as an educator? And what I\u2019m really curious about and I am sitting in the Hub watching people come and go, &#8211; is what they don\u2019t say they need, but you can see from your side as an educator and as a team. This is a bit like gossip now.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Anna: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Stories, but I\u2019ll be a bit reserved. I\u2019ll be a little reserved. Definitely, what we hear from all the families and from everyone who comes is \u201c I want at least two hours to work\u201d. That\u2019s it &#8211; two hours of uninterrupted work.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"><b>Pinelopi:<\/b> Mmm..<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Anna: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">That\u2019s what they present as a necessity and that\u2019s what everyone wants. What they don\u2019t say is that I want to feel free from the burden of being a mom or a dad, of having that role and raising a child, while at the same time wanting to grow professionally. So\u2026\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Pinelopi: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">It\u2019s like a burden, right?\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"><strong>Anna:<\/strong> Mmm\u2026 and we see it very quickly happen. From the first time they sit and actually have this uninterrupted time to work, which means that the child is already happy and doing well, and the feeling of \u201cI left and they are not well\u201d has gone. They are well.\u00a0 Then you see people separating and going to another floor, again together. So you see then with how much relief and how much pride and empowerment they come and take their child and how satisfied they are that they managed to work without having these guilt feelings. They are next to it. If they need to breastfeed, they are here. If it cries, they are here.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"><b>Pinelopi:<\/b> We should say that too, right?\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Anna:<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> Of course. There is a breastfeeding room, it is on the third floor. There is the parent and child room, in which the child can also sleep. The accompanying person can also continue working from there while the child sleeps. So for the moment we have provided for one child. Slowly the needs are increasing and we are happy about that and we are adapting to that. More will be possible. So it also gives comfort to the parents who come here. So one part is that yes, if they want to breastfeed we interrupt. The other part is that we may need to interrupt because the child insists. It may be a difficult day, anything. So again we will interrupt. But these are the points and the elements we include in the equation so that both sides trust us, both the parents and the children. And this is what removes guilt from them.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"><b>Pinelopi:<\/b> It matters that you focus on women. Because the truth is -and we have said it many times, in many different ways in this series, which centers on care and the care responsibilities, and on who takes them on and it is usually women. I want to say that I cannot think of many men, and I do know many fathers who feel guilt when they leave their children at home, infants at home, and go to work, because this is what we have learned to happen to us and what we have learned to do. I am not saying they do not exist. I am saying it is not the usual case. It is more that we are the ones who carry these care responsibilities, of course not only for children or infants, but in general care responsibilities. But the guilt is more ours, and I am very glad you bring it up, because it is also quite deep. Because our society has loaded us with this role. That, you know, you need to put your work aside for a while to take care of the child. And while raising the child, okay, you will find your way later. In the meantime you may have lost training, you may have lost opportunities. You are not treated the same when you are a \u201cmommy\u201d\u2014in quotes, always. I cannot stand this word, I have said it in another episode as well. You are not treated the same, and when you return you are not given the same opportunities. So there is a huge stereotype and discrimination that you never win. I mean, if you leave &#8211; if you could see me i do quotes with my hands- you leave the child at home and they say, \u201coh come on, you\u2019re a mother.\u201d If you do not return to work, they say, \u201coh come on, you depend on your husband for everything.\u201d In any case, you never win. So I want to ask you, you mentioned self-confidence, if there is anything else you have observed as an educator, something we do not talk about often: what changes for a woman practically and psychologically when she knows her child is next to her while she works, learns, evolves, writes her PhD\u2014we also have such cases. What change do you see?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">\u00a0<\/span><b>Anna: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">The obvious and practical thing is that she can indeed work without interruption. The other part has to do with emotional reasons. You can see how much she enjoys this. And I will bring examples from other environments I have worked in, because in all the other environments there was always separation.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Pinelopi: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Correct.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Anna:<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> The child would come, it was an environment for the child and the mother would go whenever she had to go for work. These two parts were separate there. And the mother is usually the one who is expected to feel okay with this and to be pressured into feeling okay with it. But in reality she does not feel okay with leaving the child. So here, what changes a lot is that she does not feel that she is actually separating from the child. The child is here. And this brings emotional relief which also leads to mental freedom, so that she can produce what she wants professionally. This is a big difference: that the child is here and nearby. Also, another practical aspect that I recently realized after some discussions with families is that they save time. If they were taking the child to another place\u2026\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"><b>Pinelopi:<\/b> Practically, right?\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Anna:<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> Practically, yes. They would have to separate, the child would be somewhere else, and then they would\u00a0 go to work. So yes, they definitely save time in practical terms. But the biggest gain is emotional, the relief and the lack of worry about how the child is. Is it okay? Is it calling for me?\u00a0 They don\u2019t call me. Am I not being called because everything is fine, or because everything is fine, or because they do not want to disturb me? Here, we resolve all of this very quickly. Because,\u00a0 I repeat, we are in the whole adaptation phase, which as a word always feels a bit strange to me, but it is the most familiar one to everyone.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Pinelopi: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Correct.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Anna: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">We are talking about familiarity, about building trust. So in this phase we are together and we solve all of this together.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Pinelopi: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Tell us a story.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Anna: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">So, the very first story that impressed me was with the youngest baby we had here, five months old. And the story is this: the company where the mother worked looked for this solution and this environment to support its employee. So once a week\u2026<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"><b>Pinelopi:<\/b> Well done to the company, I would say. Well done to the company.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Anna: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">A small company.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Pinelopi: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">And it was a small company.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Anna:<\/b> <span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Exactly<\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">. So they have found this alternative, this solution. And on that day, when the whole team of the company was here and this mother was bringing her baby, the mother had anxiety about how the separation would go, what would happen. We did face difficulties. <\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">But when she managed to function within her team, in her professional environment, with all these people she wanted to be close to, and her baby was upstairs calm and we were taking care of it and loving it very much, then she started crying. It was a story she shared in front of the rest of the team of the wonderful WHEN Hub, because it was really the first time she felt this kind of support, which is usually found a lot in maternity hospitals, but then it disappears. <\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">So here we were a very directly supportive and helpful environment in this matter. This is a very beautiful story.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Pinelopi: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">A beautiful story. I know it as well from the team.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Anna:<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> Yes.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"><b>Pinelopi:<\/b> Now that you shared this story, I want to ask you: if you had to convince the employer of a very small organization or a very small business, because this is our main target group in the CAREdiZO project, to invest in allowing working people to work from the Hub, like in the case you described, while their children from 0 to 12 are engaged in creative activities, what would you say to them?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Anna: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">I am ready for this, so I can address it.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Pinelopi: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">We will put you everywhere.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Anna:<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> Exactly, exactly. So I would say without hesitation that care is not a personal problem of the employee. It is not a personal problem. It is a strategic advantage of the company, especially for a small team. Because if you lose this person, the balance will definitely be disrupted much more easily, especially if that person is very capable. So yes, it is a strategic advantage. If you manage to show in practice that you care about the person\u2019s life outside the office, then you build a team that will stay with you in difficult times and perform at its best. I should also add that in this way, such a collaboration in such an environment can definitely achieve reduced burnout, increased productivity, improved morale and commitment &#8211; above all.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"><b>Pinelopi:<\/b> And you also built trust, I think. You built psychological safety. You built the real image of a company that, as you said, invests in its people and looks beyond what happens within standard working hours. Following this question, if you could change one thing in the system, in the culture, in the way we think about care, what would it be?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Anna:<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> Ah, I was waiting for this question and I really wanted it to exist. I would like to change the belief that care is a women\u2019s issue. And I would like to see more men in daycare centers, for example, and not only in director positions. More men in the field. This immediately creates the image that care is not a matter of gender, it is a matter of human skill.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"><b>Pinelopi:<\/b> I would also like to see more fathers at the Mini Hub bringing their babies and children.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Anna: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">We do have them, I should say.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Pinelopi: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">We do, of course I know it.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Anna: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Can I tell a very short story here?\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Pinelopi: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Yes, of course.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Anna: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">A mother approached us to find a solution for the father who works from home and is taking care of their child. And she learned about us, and so the father comes here, who could not work from home, and we have this family here. The mother works where she works, and the father comes here. I found it a very beautiful idea for their system and for this family. Another way of care appeared here, where one person can support the other.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"><b>Pinelopi:<\/b> Nice. We want more fathers like that. Let\u2019s move a bit more to you.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Anna:<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> Let\u2019s see.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"><b>Pinelopi:<\/b> So, because you work and you have worked in a place, in many places, but I will now talk about the WHEN Hub. You work in a space where, both in front of the cameras and behind the cameras, we constantly talk about care. And I would like to ask you something, which is a question I usually ask in different ways. Whether it has changed you in any way, whether any of your thoughts about care have changed, and whether you think differently about care in professional life in general, I would say.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Anna:<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> Every time, in whatever environment I have worked in, it is indeed very effortless, because the people who are in these roles obviously want to, and it comes very naturally to us to offer care. What makes it difficult is that we very often overlook our own needs for care. Of course, over the years we gain experience, we set boundaries, we understand things. <\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Here also, in this position, I am called to take care of the rest of the team, the pedagogical team of the Mini Hub, so this also has an additional\u2026\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Pinelopi:\u00a0<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Correct.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Anna:<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">&#8230; effort and strain. By talking so much here about care, I have also felt that I have deactivated my own need for care.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"><b>Pinelopi:<\/b> Ah, how beautiful.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Anna: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Yes, I can, I feel that I can ask for it. I now feel this need for care as a right. So yes, it is in my hands to claim it or not to claim it. In any case, there are some other issues that each of us, each person, needs to resolve on their own. But yes, I feel that it is something that is a right.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"><b>Pinelopi:<\/b> I will keep that. I really like it and I am very happy that you feel this way. Thank you very very much, Anna.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Anna:<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> Thank you very much for this invitation and the experience of the discussion.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Pinelopi: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">What did you think of what we shared today with Anna, and what else do you think CAREdiZO could potentially create that would bring us one or more steps closer to equality, both inside and outside of work? We are always here to read and listen to your suggestions, comments, and ideas, so you can follow us on social media, send us an email, leave us a review on Spotify, and, of course, come and meet us at WHEN Hub and let\u2019s continue the discussion so that we can make WHEN and CAREdiZO even better for everyone.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>                                                <\/div>\r\n                                            <\/div>\r\n                                        <\/div>\r\n                                    <\/div>\r\n                                                            <\/div>\r\n                                                                    <\/div>\r\n                <\/div>\r\n                    <\/div>\r\n    <\/div>\r\n<\/section>\n\n\n<div class=\"text\">\n    <p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong>The WHEN on Topic Podcast is available on all major platforms!<\/strong><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\">You can listen to all episodes on any platform you listen to your podcasts on \u2013 we are on\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/09iNBpLA8e3zfkAMZBVqyi\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><b>Spotify<\/b><\/a>,\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/www.buzzsprout.com\/1924253\/listings\/3126301\/edit\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><b>Buzzsprout<\/b><\/a>,\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/podcasts.google.com\/feed\/aHR0cDovL2ZlZWRzLmxpYnN5bi5jb20vMjQzNDEzL3Jzcw?hl=en-GR\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><b>Google podcasts<\/b><\/a>\u00a0&amp;\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/podcasts.apple.com\/podcast\/id1496502155\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><b>Apple podcasts<\/b><\/a>,\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/www.audible.com\/pd\/Women-On-Topic-Podcast\/B09VG1JD3R?\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><b>Amazon music<\/b><\/a>,\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/pca.st\/5qc63x16\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><b>Pocket Casts<\/b><\/a>,\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/podcastaddict.com\/podcast\/3795610\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><b>Podcast Addict<\/b><\/a>,\u00a0and of course on\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/blacklemon.tv\/podcasts\/women-topic\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><b>Black Lemon<\/b><\/a><b>\u2018<\/b>s platform.<\/p>\n<hr \/>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\">The\u00a0<strong><a href=\"https:\/\/caredizo.eu\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">CAREdiZO<\/a><\/strong>\u00a0project is implemented in the framework of the European Commission\u2019s CERV Programme, as a cooperation among the\u00a0 following organisations: Challedu (Greece), WHEN (Greece), MOTERU INFORMACIJOS CENTRAS (Lithuania), NATSIONALNA MREZHA ZA BIZNES RAZVITIE (Bulgaria), Mediterranean Institute of Gender Studies (Cyprus). 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