{"id":40081,"date":"2026-05-20T14:19:03","date_gmt":"2026-05-20T11:19:03","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/when.org.gr\/?p=40081"},"modified":"2026-05-20T14:19:05","modified_gmt":"2026-05-20T11:19:05","slug":"when-on-topic-balance-sheet-when-you-take-care-of-your-business-and-others","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/when.org.gr\/en\/when-on-topic-balance-sheet-when-you-take-care-of-your-business-and-others\/","title":{"rendered":"WHEN on Topic: Balance sheet: when you take care of your business (and others)"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<div class=\"text\">\n    <h6 style=\"text-align: center;\">WHEN on Topic: Balance sheet: when you take care of your business (and others)<\/h6>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">What are the p<strong>ersonal care challenges<\/strong> that founders and owners of small businesses and organizations often, if not always, face? How do these personal challenges affect their own <strong>role<\/strong> as leaders of teams that help them carry out the work of entrepreneurship?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">In the new episode of WHEN on Topic, <strong>Stella Kasdagli<\/strong> talks to <strong>Marisa Antonopoulou<\/strong>, entrepreneur and former COO of AFI, the first Greek microfinance company, about achieving balance between personal and professional life for people who have founded small businesses.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">In the 11th episode of WHEN on Topic, which is implemented within the framework of the <strong><a href=\"https:\/\/when.org.gr\/en\/caredizo-care-is-everyones-responsibility\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">CAREdiZO<\/a><\/strong> project, we ask critical questions:<\/span><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li style=\"font-weight: 400;\" aria-level=\"1\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">How many people who found or own a small business have caregiving <strong>responsibilities<\/strong>? How do they feel when it comes time to ask for <strong>help<\/strong>, not only in the entrepreneurial part but also in all other parts of their lives?<\/span><\/li>\n<li style=\"font-weight: 400;\" aria-level=\"1\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">How do they <strong>allocate their time<\/strong> to work for their business and cope with their other obligations at the same time?<\/span><\/li>\n<li style=\"font-weight: 400;\" aria-level=\"1\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Does choosing entrepreneurship bring a better <strong>work-life balance<\/strong> and improve the ability of women, and not only women, to devote time to caregiving responsibilities or to things they want to do outside of work?<\/span><\/li>\n<li style=\"font-weight: 400;\" aria-level=\"1\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Do the <strong>regrets<\/strong> they feel concern their professional or personal life? Or maybe both? How do they manage this part?<\/span><\/li>\n<li style=\"font-weight: 400;\" aria-level=\"1\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">How do personal care experiences influence the <strong>leadership style<\/strong> and <strong>culture<\/strong> of a company? How can an organization practically integrate support for employees with caregiving responsibilities?<\/span><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">If you want to make the transition from a dependent employment to entrepreneurship or have already done so and you are concerned about <strong>how to balance care in your personal and professional life<\/strong>, this episode can be a guide for you. Because entrepreneurship does not negate care responsibilities, it redefines them!<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed is-type-rich is-provider-spotify wp-block-embed-spotify wp-embed-aspect-21-9 wp-has-aspect-ratio\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<iframe title=\"Spotify Embed: WHEN on Topic: \u0391\u03c3\u03ba\u03ae\u03c3\u03b5\u03b9\u03c2 \u03b9\u03c3\u03bf\u03c1\u03c1\u03bf\u03c0\u03af\u03b1\u03c2: \u03b5\u03c0\u03b9\u03c7\u03b5\u03b9\u03c1\u03b7\u03bc\u03b1\u03c4\u03b9\u03ba\u03cc\u03c4\u03b7\u03c4\u03b1 \u03ba\u03b1\u03b9 \u03c6\u03c1\u03bf\u03bd\u03c4\u03af\u03b4\u03b1\" style=\"border-radius: 12px\" width=\"100%\" height=\"152\" frameborder=\"0\" allowfullscreen allow=\"autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; fullscreen; picture-in-picture\" loading=\"lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/embed\/episode\/1Zaev1hLOPxPFQeZwhrr46?utm_source=oembed\"><\/iframe>\n<\/div><\/figure>\n\n\n<section id=\"nvm-faq-block_828dcc3d154e7aa0de5f1e8093db9d04\" class=\"nvm-faq alignfull\">\r\n    <div class=\"panel panel-width-normal\">\r\n        <div class=\"row small-align-self-center\">\r\n                                        <div class=\"small-column-100 laptop-margin-10 laptop-column-80 small-align-self-center\">\r\n                    <div class=\"faq-wrapper\">\r\n                        <h2 class=\"title color-onyx\">Read the podcast<\/h2>\r\n                                                    <div class=\"faq-container\">\r\n                                                                    <div class=\"responsiville-accordion\">\r\n                                        <div class=\"responsiville-accordion-panel\">\r\n                                            <div class=\"responsiville-accordion-header color-onyx\">\r\n                                                WHEN on Topic - Episode 11 | Balance sheet: when you take care of your business (and others)                                            <\/div>\r\n                                            <div class=\"responsiville-accordion-content\">\r\n                                                <div class=\"text\">\r\n                                                    \n<div class=\"text\">\n    <p><b>Stella:<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> Welcome to a new episode of WHEN on Topic. I\u2019m Stella Kasdagli, and I\u2019m happy to welcome you to another conversation about women\u2019s professional and financial empowerment and gender equality at work &#8211; and sometimes beyond work, too. This season of our podcast is dedicated to caregiving responsibilities and the equal distribution of care, and, as you know, it is brought to you through CAREdiZo. CAREdiZo is a European project in which we participate as WHEN, under the European Commission\u2019s CERV programme. Its goal is to help bridge the gender gap in caregiving responsibilities by promoting equality practices at home, in micro-businesses, and in small civil society organisations, meaning organisations and businesses with up to ten employees. The project supports family-friendly policies, encourages men to participate in caregiving, and highlights the value of care in society more broadly, which is exactly what we\u2019ve been advocating for all this time. Its activities include research, co-creation workshops, training programmes, and the development of digital tools, such as an educational game and podcasts like this one, all aimed at challenging stereotypes and promoting equality.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Our partners are based in Cyprus, Lithuania, and Bulgaria, and as we speak, they\u2019re creating their own podcasts, which you may soon have the chance to discover as well. Today, we\u2019ll be talking about the personal caregiving challenges faced -often constantly- by founders and owners of small businesses and organisations, and how those challenges affect their role as leaders of the teams helping them carry their entrepreneurial vision forward. To explore this topic, we\u2019re joined by Marisa Antonopoulou. Marisa joins us in a dual capacity: today she is an entrepreneur herself, but she also previously served as COO of AFI, Greece\u2019s first microfinance organisation. In that role, she supported aspiring entrepreneurs \u2014 both practically and emotionally \u2014 through knowledge, guidance, and experience, helping people seeking funding to launch their businesses. Let\u2019s hear more about her journey.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Stella<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">: Hello Marissa.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Marissa<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">: Hello, Stella.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Stella<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">: Could you tell us a few things about your own path and how you got to where you are today, so we can better understand the perspective you bring to this discussion around the work-life balance challenges entrepreneurs and founders face?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Marissa<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">: Sure. My career didn&#8217;t actually begin in the startup world. I took a very different path, starting in a corporate environment at PwC as a financial auditor, that is, somewhere with a lot of structure, numbers, in a very corporate environment.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Stella<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">: And more structured, I imagine, in terms of policies.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Marisa<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">: Absolutely. And although that environment came with certain costs, it also gave me tools and skills that I later carried into much less structured environments in my life. Then I spent ten years helping build Greece\u2019s first microfinance organisation. Beyond supporting and training people trying to start a business for the first time, we were also financing people who had no access to other funding sources.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Stella:<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> What percentage of those people starting businesses would you say had caregiving responsibilities? Not necessarily a traditional family structure, because that can mean many things, but how many of the people you supported at AFI had caregiving responsibilities in their lives?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Marisa:<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> I\u2019d say around 60%. If they weren\u2019t mothers raising children themselves, they were often men supporting ageing parents.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Stella: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">So you\u2019re making the distinction&#8230;<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Marisa:<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> Looking at age demographics alone, I\u2019d say that most people over the age of 35 or 40 had some form of caregiving responsibility.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Stella:<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> But you\u2019re also distinguishing between parenthood and caring for others in the sense that women were usually the primary caregivers for children, whereas men were less often taking on that primary caregiving role.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Marisa: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Definitely. I think socially that\u2019s still true in Greece. Later on, after leaving AFI, I became an entrepreneur myself. And that\u2019s when I realised how much easier it is to advise people about entrepreneurship from the outside. I thought I understood it before. Of course, an outside perspective can still be incredibly helpful, but it\u2019s much easier to advise someone when you\u2019re not personally carrying the risk yourself. <\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">What I realised once I became an entrepreneur was how difficult it is to ask for help. And also how lonely entrepreneurship can feel. There\u2019s this feeling that something is lacking in you if you need to ask someone else for support. It\u2019s not necessarily a rational feeling, but it was something I absolutely didn\u2019t expect to encounter once I crossed over to the other side.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Stella: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">And does that need for support relate mostly to the operational side of running a business, or also to how entrepreneurship interacts with the rest of your life?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Marisa:<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> Everything. Because you don\u2019t only need help with the business itself &#8211; admitting, for example, \u201cI don\u2019t know how to do this, I need to learn it or ask someone else to do it for me.\u201d You also need help with what I call \u201cborrowed time.\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Stella: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Tell me more about that phrase, \u201cborrowed time.\u201d I really like it.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Marisa: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">When you move from being employed somewhere into entrepreneurship, you naturally start feeling like your time is borrowed. When you have a job with fixed hours, you know where you\u2019re supposed to be from 9 to 5. But when you\u2019re an entrepreneur, because theoretically you can work whenever you want, people also assume you\u2019re available whenever they want. <\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">So in my mind, and it\u2019s something I\u2019m trying to work through, time always feels borrowed. If I ask someone to watch my child, I find it difficult to say, \u201cNo, I can\u2019t at that time because I have work,\u201d because somewhere inside me I believe I could rearrange it if I really wanted to.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Stella:<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> So work feels more like a choice than it would in a salaried job &#8211; or at least that\u2019s how it appears from the outside.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Marisa:<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> Exactly. That\u2019s how it appears.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Stella:<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> But does the opposite happen too? Sometimes I feel that even the time I choose not to work feels borrowed from the business itself.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Marisa:<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> Absolutely. Of course.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Stella: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Because there\u2019s always something more you could be doing for your business.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Marisa: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Exactly. And if you don\u2019t work on your relationship with perfectionism, it can drive you insane. You can never be fully present anywhere. When you\u2019re working, you think about everything else. And when you\u2019re with family or doing something personal, you think about the business \u2014 about the thing that won\u2019t move forward unless you personally make it happen.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Stella:<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> We often hear from women who gave so much of themselves in corporate environments. They entered those spaces young, ambitious, eager to grow, and they gained a lot \u2014 but they also sacrificed a lot. And at some point they turn toward entrepreneurship hoping for more flexibility, more autonomy over their time and decisions. Do you think entrepreneurship really improves work-life balance? Does it actually make it easier -especially for women- to devote time to caregiving responsibilities or life outside work?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Marisa: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Honestly, I think it would be a little ironic to say that becoming an entrepreneur gives you more time. That\u2019s simply not true. At the same time, though, I wouldn\u2019t change it for anything. Leaving the corporate environment was absolutely the right choice for me. You do gain more flexibility over how you organise your time, but not more time itself. Your mind is always working. The difference is that in one scenario you take meetings in a quiet office, and in the other you\u2019re taking them from a playground while holding your child in one arm and your headphones in the other. <\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">That\u2019s the difference. You simply use your time differently, and from the outside it may look more flexible. But the sense of responsibility is much heavier when it\u2019s your own business. You carry the emotional and moral weight of it all. You carry your team on your shoulders. The only thing that changes is that you can structure your actual working hours a bit more freely.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Stella: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">I could picture that perfectly. I\u2019ve taken meetings from the park, from the stands at OAKA, from the car right before or after picking up the kids. Does that create guilt for you too? Because for me it creates double guilt &#8211; guilt toward the child in the back seat because I\u2019m talking to a colleague instead of talking to them, but also guilt toward the professional environment because people can hear children in the background while I\u2019m in the park.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Marisa:<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> Constantly. That\u2019s exactly the issue &#8211; the guilt that comes with this kind of life. It never really stops. But at the same time, I think every one of us has to work very hard internally not to constantly feel guilty from every direction. <\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">I certainly haven\u2019t mastered it yet. If someone else has figured it out, they should tell the rest of us how.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Stella: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">We should invite them onto the podcast.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Marisa: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Exactly.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Stella:<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> How has this experience, the guilt, the balancing act, the transition from employment to entrepreneurship, affected the way you lead your own team today? Has it changed the way you understand your employees\u2019 needs or shape your company culture?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Marisa:<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> It\u2019s made me much more direct and human with my team.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Stella:<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> What do you mean by \u201cdirect\u201d?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Marisa:<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> In more traditional professional environments, our personal lives -especially our identities as caregivers- were almost hidden. You were \u201cprofessional\u201d at work, and your caregiving role existed somewhere else. I\u2019ve tried to break down that wall with my own team. If something caregiving-related comes up, we address it openly and immediately. If your child is sick, there\u2019s no discussion &#8211; you leave and we\u2019ll figure it out. We\u2019ll cover for you. I try to integrate the human side into professional life much more consciously now. And honestly, that\u2019s something I wish others had done for me earlier in my own career.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Stella:<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> So you hadn\u2019t really experienced that support yourself from previous managers?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Marisa: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Not consistently. I\u2019ve had many managers over the years, and everyone had their own style. Some people understood because they were living through similar realities themselves. Others made me feel like my humanity had to stay hidden in professional settings. And this isn\u2019t only about caregiving. It\u2019s also about empathy in general. In many workplaces, empathy is still treated as weakness. I hope that\u2019s changing now &#8211; that understanding and empathy are increasingly being recognised as strengths instead.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Stella:<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> That empathy is becoming destigmatised in leadership.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Marisa:<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> Exactly. That\u2019s the shift.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Stella: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Earlier you said, \u201cWe\u2019ll deal with it.\u201d But structurally, what does that actually mean? Have you built systems, budgets, or staffing structures into your business that allow you to genuinely respond to emergencies and caregiving needs?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Marisa: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">The main thing I\u2019ve done -at least in one of my businesses, because I now have three- is to avoid assigning myself fixed hours in the business.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Stella: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">May they become a hundred.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Marisa: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">No thank you! In the business where I have eleven employees, I deliberately haven\u2019t given myself a fixed schedule. That way, when there\u2019s a need, I can step in and cover any role. I\u2019ve trained myself to be able to do every position. So the first thing I\u2019ve done is take responsibility for being the first person who can step in when something happens. The second thing is that this specific business is a restaurant, so things are more complicated.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Stella: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">So it\u2019s fully in-person work. You can\u2019t just close up and say, \u201cWe\u2019re remote today.\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Marisa: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Exactly. Working from home simply isn\u2019t an option in that environment. So some of the policies and approaches I was trained in just don\u2019t apply there, and I have to think differently.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Stella: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">I want to pause there because I think many of us instinctively say, \u201cIf there\u2019s a problem, I\u2019ll step in and fix it myself.\u201d But as businesses grow, is that sustainable? And what does that mean for our own caregiving responsibilities and our own work-life balance? And I also wonder whether women are more likely to say, \u201cI\u2019ll handle it, you go,\u201d compared to men &#8211; although maybe that\u2019s just my own bias.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Marisa: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Honestly, I hadn\u2019t thought deeply about the gender dimension until now. But I do think we haven\u2019t been trained to destigmatise delegation. Women often carry a stronger sense of personal responsibility. I see it in teams all the time &#8211; very often it\u2019s one of the women who immediately says, \u201cI\u2019ll cover it.\u201d So yes, I do think there\u2019s a difference there.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Stella: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">But what happens when the team grows and we remain stuck in that mindset of personally covering every emergency? How do you transition into a structure that makes the business -and your own life- sustainable? Especially in a small market like Greece, where it\u2019s not always financially possible to build extra capacity into staffing or budgets?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Marisa: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">It\u2019s incredibly difficult to say, \u201cI\u2019m going to hire two extra people just in case someone needs leave or there\u2019s an emergency.\u201d But if you can afford to do it, the psychological relief is worth the financial sacrifice. Knowing you don\u2019t always have to be the one stepping in allows you to focus elsewhere. Of course, not everyone has that luxury. There are periods when I\u2019m fortunate enough to have extra people who can help cover things, but that\u2019s not always possible. As a company grows, it becomes a little more realistic. But even then, we have to be intentional about where we invest both money and time. So yes, it\u2019s a trade-off. For me, it\u2019s worth it, but it\u2019s not possible for everyone.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Stella:<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> Looking back now, what would you say differently to founders you supported in the past, especially women with caregiving responsibilities? What do you think you were missing back then?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Marisa: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">I don\u2019t know if I would change my words exactly. But I think I underestimated how important it is to talk about loneliness and about the fact that no one really tells you \u201cwell done\u201d anymore. That\u2019s something I still struggle with.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Stella: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">That\u2019s such a powerful point.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Marisa: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">When you work for someone else, you have managers, goals, milestones. When you complete something, someone acknowledges it. Someone says, \u201cGood job.\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Stella: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">And there\u2019s also someone else to blame when things go wrong.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Marisa: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Exactly.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Stella: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">There\u2019s a kind of parental figure in the workplace, someone to care for you or rebel against.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Marisa:<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> Exactly. And all of that disappears when you become self-employed or start your own business. So I would focus much more on helping people prepare for the loneliness, because entrepreneurship is lonely, caregiving is lonely, and in both cases nobody is constantly telling you that you\u2019re doing well.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Stella: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">What could that kind of support or community look like?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Marisa: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">I think simply talking about it matters enormously. When a mother or caregiver says, \u201cMy life has changed completely,\u201d people respond with, \u201cWell, you chose to have children.\u201d And when you start a business, people say, \u201cBut you control your own time.\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Stella: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">\u201cYou chose this yourself,\u201d basically.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Marisa: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Exactly. And yes, both things are true. Nobody forced you into either choice. But you still need support. And we need to normalise saying things like, \u201cI need encouragement,\u201d or \u201cI want to feel recognised.\u201d Or even learning to define recognition differently &#8211; maybe my reward is simply the fact that my work supports me financially. But we need to talk about loneliness and recognition much more openly before people step into entrepreneurship.\u00a0<\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Because honestly, I never used to say these things to people when they came to AFI asking for funding. I would tell them, \u201cYou\u2019re strong, you\u2019re empowered, go do it, don\u2019t let anyone tell you that you can\u2019t.\u201d And yes, all of that matters. But I should also have asked: are you ready to be alone in this? Are you ready to have no one else to blame when things go wrong? Are you ready for everyone you hire to eventually look to you for answers \u2014 and sometimes blame you when things fall apart? That\u2019s what I would say differently now.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Stella: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">If entrepreneurs are the caregivers of their businesses, then who takes care of the caregivers? Where have you personally found care and support?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Marisa: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">For me, definitely my husband, Tasos. And thankfully my parents are still around too. But another important thing I didn\u2019t fully appreciate before is how much it matters to genuinely love what you do. That\u2019s a form of care too. Not everyone has a partner who supports them without making them feel guilty. Not everyone has parents who can step in with childcare when needed. So I\u2019m deeply grateful for all of that. But I also believe that building work you love and creating the kind of environment you yourself would want to exist in is a form of self-care.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Stella: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Beautifully said. Thank you so much.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Marisa:<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> Thank you too.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Stella: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">What did you think about today\u2019s conversation with Marisa? What else do you think CAREdiZo could create to bring us one step closer to equality &#8211; both inside and outside the workplace? As always, we\u2019d love to hear your ideas, comments, and suggestions. 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